after all, mandela died at the age of 95. he was surrounded by family. people sailed they owed a debt of gratitude to the person who ended apartheid and saw reconciliation here. if there had not been a mandela, if there had not been someone who was willing to forgive his oppressors, this country still could see a great deal of racial violence. perhaps even a civil war. now, there is still a long way to go. this country has problems. mandela's legacy has not been completely met. crime is a major problem. a lot of the houses in this area are surrounded by high walls and electric fences. there is also poverty in this country. and even after all that happened and all that mandela did to bring communities together in this country, many blacks and whites, still live very segregated lives. larry? >> all right. many thanks, nbc's richard engel. most of the news reports say democratic and republican negotiators are very close to a budget deal on capitol hill. but i'm hearing that there are some significant differences between the two parties and inside the gop. w